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I miss the old Goku | Dragon Ball

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Published 15 Aug 2023

I miss the old Son Goku, ever since Dragon Ball super started Goku has felt like a shell of his former self in every way I’ve narrowed this down to four main points and I plan on giving comparisons to explain why these are either contradictory to Goku’s character or don’t make sense as a logical continuation of it. 1 is Goku’s seemingly lost touch of what being a fighter means 2 is Goku’s tenacity in letting villains live 3 Goku’s sudden development of an ego leaving him off guard & lastly 4 Goku being very carefree/childish in response to danger and threats to he or his family. Intro: 0:00 Moro Dillema: 0:45 Goku doesn't know what being a fighter means: 2:38 Goku letting Villains live again: 5:02 Goku has an ego now?: 7:59 Goku is too carefree in response to threats: 10:39

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    @sixfromtokyo8 months ago Response Vid: 51
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    @whispr_2ME9 months ago Kind of funny how people hated GT for having Goku be a man in a child's body, and Super Goku is pretty much Goku being a child in a man's body. It almost seems purposeful. 5857
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    @upliftlizard17159 months ago In DBS Super Hero, even with Toriyama writing the script of the film, in the scene on Beerus' planet, Goku is confused by seeing Vegeta meditating, even though Goku should be absolutely aware of what meditating is 1163
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    @cnh21328 months ago Son Goku has suffered probably the biggest character assassination in history. He went from a complete martial artist at the end of the Cell Games to a complete joke in super...the authors made him forget all of the lessons he has learned and make all the stupidest mistakes that he could make. it is such a shame, after watching him develop over all those years, seeing him regress so much. ... 431
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    @blankspace_kxng9 months ago goku telling him WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP was the best part of the arc tbh 588
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    @TheEARLD9 months ago Old Goku had wisdom and had a good balance between his humour and when he need to get serious.
    The thing that bugs me about as super Goku is how child like and naive they portray him at times.
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    @giodawg459 months ago A big issue I had with Super is this whole idea of Goku having poor guard. Even Kid Goku was able to sense danger before seeing it. There are instances of this all before learning ki control with Kami and Popo. 1575
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    @206Zelda9 months ago He used to be able to read minds and souls. Imagine if he did that with the enemies he traded blows with; he'd figure out some of the deepest motives they were hiding 475
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    @snakefish189 months ago In my personal opinion, I think they based Goku’s writing in Super and every other character’s writing in Super on how some fans perceive the characters rather than how the characters were originally established 341
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    @uninformed21679 months ago It’s crazy how people will jokingly say that they’re basing super Goku off of TFS Goku when it’s something I can genuinely see 758
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    @ChrisJoestarr9 months ago I believe one of the reasons ppl don't complain that much about this new Goku is cuz they didn't watch the original DBZ and the only thing they know about Goku is that he's a happy enthusiastic dude, but they don't know that when shit gets serious Goku don't play around funny shit. ... 1074
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    @Kaldrean9 months ago Mature Goku was awesome. I loved how serious he felt during the buu saga and the frieza saga. 88
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    @Dr.Loc238 months ago Old Goku was lowkey a ruthless man when you didn't listen to his warning. When he left Nappa paralyzed from the waist down I knew he had that dawg in him
    Super Goku doesn't compare with the old Goku, that Kaioken scene went hard
    That was one of Goku's hardest moments in DBZ, Super really regressed Goku's character entirely, they turned Goku in a megalomaniac with an addiction to battle
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    @TheEternalFlame579 months ago I miss the old Goku. The mature Goku. The humble Goku, the Goku who cared about fighting Goku. I hate the new Goku, the childish and dumb Goku, the egotisitcal Goku, the obessed with fighting Goku 1031
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    @collinleivas96059 months ago Its funny to think Goku in Resurrection F was going to let Frieza go when he is literally the guy that taught Goku to not let certain people go. 379
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    @pigglypoof8 months ago I miss kid Goku, he was carefree and pure but took thinks seriously when he had too and was always picking up on cues 44
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    @PCODRAGONS8 months ago No one talking about the "WAKE UP" text? 75
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    @mrgotham36859 months ago Ultra Instinct Goku is basically just serious Z Goku, and that’s a reason I think why that form is so well received. Goku has one of the most underrated character arcs in all of anime from Dragon Ball to the end of Z. 373
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    @NataliaNeeSama9 months ago Child Goku had an ego, but he also learned from Mr. Popo to never underestimate his opponents, and he never showed that side during the Z arc because he learned his lesson.
    He suffered from Flanderization, unfortunately. OG Adult Goku had some childish elements to him but they were very minor and were just a few charming quirks to his character, but he behaved like an adult where it counted. In Super he seems like a manchild now, he never takes anything seriously and acts like a teenager all the time like everything is just a big game to him, even though people are dying he doesn't take the situation seriously! It's frustrating.
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    @donsq43069 months ago Goku was nearly a perfected martial artist in OG Db. Roshi even stated he could not teach him anything 😂 63
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    @Drumicall9 months ago GT has good continuations of character development. Even though Goku got turned into a kid he acts accordingly. It'as the saying goes GT Goku has a child body but Super Goku has the mind of a child. 231
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    @aaronbrawley9 months ago Let’s not forget one of our very first shots of Goku in Dragon Ball was Goku literally getting shot multiple times by Bulma, and the bullets bouncing off… 52
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    @Jerry-zz2eu3 weeks ago It's DBZA's fault. Toriyama saw how they portrayed Goku and thought: "Finally, somebody understands me," and then modeled DBS Goku directly from that. 5
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    @gwell66v2AnimeReviews9 months ago While reviewing the Saiyan saga, some of my favorite moments that reaaaally took me back and made me remember why Goku was one of my favorite characters of all time (and why Super was a significant downgrade for me)
    1 When propositioned by vegeta to become his second in command, Goku responds "No thanks. besides, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of job security"
    Hearing Goku talk about something as adult as job security, idk, it just really got me. This felt like a down to earth GUY. Just some guy who happens to have enormous power and abilities but a real person nonetheless.
    2) When he talks to Gohan and Krillin and convinces them to leave. He points out to Gohan how Chi must be worried about him and even asks Gohan to "Give her a hug for me" It's so wholesome and family oriented and implies they have a healthy, happy family dynamic that's existed all this time. Even later Z seems to forget about portraying Goku as someone who can have actual familial affection outside of pride for his son's power.
    3) He purposely incapacitates Nappa instead of murdering him (this has remained fairly consistent at least)
    4) His pep talk to Gohan is incredibly kind, insightful and finishes with him reaching out, again to show physical affection for his child (vegeta knee smashes him in the gut to interrupt. Which, my God Saiyan Saga vegeta is the most fun villain in DBZ. Guy absolutely delights in being the biggest heel imagineable)
    Seeing Goku demonstrate himself to be THIS well rounded of an adult human being...his relatability was off the charts.
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    @Nihlux9 months ago I miss him too, man. It's like the Jake Skywalker thing with Star Wars. This new Goku is an imposter. 8
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    @chasegibson86909 months ago the wake up subtitles are freaking me out 87
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    @ReturnOfTheKing889 months ago Cell saga goku gave us sensei vibes without us even knowing, especially with ssj mastery and the symbols disappearing 187
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    @TruBaus2108 months ago One thing though Goku started sparing people in Dragonball when Android 8 convinced him not to kill general silver 3
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    @darktigersharkmax44329 months ago I hate the retcons and lessons goku's forgotten, it just unnecessarily removes the growth he's had and makes him more idiotic for no reason. Especially in the manga like literally it was established goku relaxes which allows him to utilize his full power but suddenly he doesn't do that and Vegeta's the first one to figure that out when they were both blatantly told about it during the Resurrection F arc. ... 134
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    @Edelweiss11029 months ago The real sad thing is that it's not only Goku, so many characters in Super feel like they have either regressed or are stuck in an eternal cycle of the same story and lessons over and over again.
    - Vegeta spends every other arc overcoming his past and sins, and admitting that Goku is better in some aspects and going his own ways just to regress right back to "Grrr my pride, I wish I was a Carot" in the next arc.
    - Gohan learns that you can be a scholar but keep training to protect your loved ones for the 100th time, then disappears again for the next 2 arcs and comes back all rusty.
    - Future Trunks tried to solve everything on his own and with pure power alone again.
    - Trunks and Goten have been stuck as kids for the occasional Gotenks slap stick for the past 30 years.
    - Krillin and the other humans keep jumping between retiring as fighters and coming back every other arc.
    - Beerus and Whis keep getting stronger every other arc, and every time they show a hint of interest in something or that it could have consequences, they go back to "mmmm food".
    It's pretty obvious Toyotarou or whoever writes this shit either doesn't really know what to do with the characters and/or that they are afraid to break the stalemate that Dragonball Super ultimately has set itself into with keeping it withing the end of Z.
    Super Hero was so good because it finally gave some long overdue justice to Gohan, Piccolo, and to a lesser extend Goten, Trunks, Krillin and so on. I hope they finally go beyond Z after this arc, so we don't have to push the reset button after every other arc.
    GT has many flaws, but I do think one thing it did pretty well was writing continuation of the characters. Goku enjoyed live and seeing Pan grow up, knowing that most things couldn't phase him anymore, but he would become 100% serious the moment he needed to. Vegeta became a family man on earth, ready to defend it with his life if need be. Goten and Trunks actually grew up and do adult shit. Piccolo embraces his role as a mentor and guardian. The list goes on.
    Super has potential, but they are either afraid to or don't know how to use it.
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    @AllMediaAlchemylast month You absolutely nailed it brother! I've been saying this for years and it's good to know people are finally catching on. Much respect.
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    @STUPIDHUMAN8 months ago Goku had battle sense. He knew when one needed to fight, but he also knew that sometimes you don't have to.
    It was what separated him from everyone else, good and evil.
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    @edwinsolis57109 months ago People dunk on the “Superman” Goku but that shit went hard—its the Goku that you felt the desire to be like. Kindhearted but he wasn’t soft. 199
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    @brianartist80279 months ago I miss when Goku was genuinely mature and understanding towards others. I feel like while he definitely isn’t portrayed totally negative, you can definitely see how super turned him into a more goofy and dumb version of himself as compared to Z. It’s hard to explain, but I’m sure y’all understand what I mean when I say there’s a difference between Goku in Z and Goku in DBS ... 686
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    @Nister.N2 days ago Whenever i watch slower videos like these i always zone out so that wake up text may genuinely be one of the most genius things I've ever seen in aa youtube video
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    @WillHaus133 months ago Dude this was a great video! Man I miss old Goku so much man. Super changed him so much
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    @UnwantedGhost19 months ago The writers of Dragonball Z Resurrection F should have had Goku blocking the laser from Sorbet. Only to be caught off guard by Freeza's putting nearly all his energy in it. 105
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    @thepanelbiter99159 months ago It is so refreshing to see a video about Goku’s personality and not how many Hulks he can spank. 47
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    @DanielLopes-dh2hv9 months ago Yeah fair point, when Whis first said that Goku was over confident and letting his guard down i just accepted it like it was always the case. But yeah, that never was the case in Z 28
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    @KeriAce9 months ago This was extremely incredible amazing job with the video I just love everything about this keep up the great work and don't stop making kick ass content.👍❤️🔥🔥👍
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    @AdventVFX9 months ago Goku was the actual greatest martial artist in the universe and then Super happens, its very upsetting seeing the regression and I'm happy someone noticed 53
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    @seroq4429 months ago You see, if they had the balls and made Goten and Trunks the protagonist of Super with Gohan being a more guidance oriented figure, these flaws (for Goten) would be perfectly fine. But na, I am convinced that Akira doesn't care all that much like he use to and the rest of the writers don't understand the spirit of Dragon Ball. ... 68
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    @jamiemcneil96829 months ago Thank you. This is a video that needed to be made.
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    @baconlord25453 weeks ago “I missed the old Goku, straight to protect earth Goku, Chop up the spirit bomb Goku, set on his goals to defeat evil Goku! I hate the new Goku, the desperate fighter Goku, the always dumb Goku, spaz on the plot armor Goku! I miss the sweet Goku, chop up the soul Goku! I gotta say at that time I’d like to meet Goku!” ... 2
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    @speedy45749 months ago Super makes me look at GT in a much better light. It has it's flaws but it's short enough to not outlive it's welcome and Goku's character from Z to GT remains more or less consistent even if he was physically turned into a child. Whereas Goku in Super is still an adult but mentally, it's like he never left Mt. Pauzu. ... 110
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    @jcg76099 months ago I'm glad that the dragon ball fanbase is finally realizing that Goku regressed significantly as a character once DBS started because a couple of years back, you would have morons telling you otherwise and saying he was always like this ... 428
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    @Stefanthro3 months ago Nice video! The only time I remember Goku having an ego was when he was a kid (ex. when he first fought Popo - though he was quickly humbled)
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    @bigbabybiscuits8 months ago I've never really been able to get into Super and couldn't quite put my finger on why until watching this video. You're totally right about Goku's character regression and that's really what rubbed me the wrong way about Super. ... 1
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    @maximillianoorosco-randhaw93369 months ago To bring up another point regarding Goku’s development regarding who he chooses to spare, he doesn’t even attempt to spare Yakon, he just straight up kills him, so it wouldn’t make sense for Goku to spare Moro. 51
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    @rXTrLEGENDz9 months ago You nailed Z Goku in comparison to Super Goku. Everything he learned from DB through Z has been completely neglected in Super and it's appalling.
    I thank you very kindly for this video.
    Also, Goku giving Cell the Senzu Bean saved the universe, as Goku knows that both Vegeta and Frieza would destroy the planet if they were backed into a corner. He gave Cell the sb not only to protect Gohan's pride as a warrior, but to save what he holds dear to him. He felt that Gohan had a power within him stronger than himself. He knew Gohan would get the job done. Him being the Master Martial Artist, he would know how to handle situations outside of just the battle, but the war in it's entirety.
    In Dragon Ball:
    He gave Piccolo a SB because of he died, Kami would die and, the DBs would be rendered useless.
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    @boissinotromuald99529 months ago Finally, someone put the word, excellent video, Im 37 years old and I do miss the old Goku as well, the New one saddly embody the absence of tension or any good plot in DBS, it's all just for fun And so is this"Goku". Sad... ... 1
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    @BulkierEmu0509 months ago I'm glad we have fan mangas that portrait a more mature goku while having that fun part he always had and showing more of the other Z warriors and not just make it like the show of goku and vegeta like Dbs does. 2
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    @sixfromtokyo9 months ago I didn't say this in the intro but this isn't supposed to be like Super In-depth or anything the point is Goku is different and it doesn't take a genius to figure it out. 828
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    @jimjamjon22859 months ago Six making me think I'm in a coma 😭 8
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    @heavenlysniper26003 months ago Ahhh yes someone said thank u my man loved the vid
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    @WI-FI_GOD9 months ago I’m glad you keep bringing up the laser scene😊
    And time someone start arguing about goku vs anyone
    I like to be petty and bring up him getting no diffed by a normal laser 🤣🤣🤣and I make sure to hammer it down just to be extra petty ...
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    @bionicleanime9 months ago Old Goku: a general/veteran of 1000 battles with a great sense of responsibility and maturity, yet still kind and a little goofy when appropriate. />New Goku: idiot who feels like he was back when he first met Chichi, not quite Bulma but he's been pushing it there, and goofing off in the most wrong of times. ... 20
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    @jimjamjon22859 months ago Also he only said this to annoy Vegeta so that Vegeta would train even harder. He didn't say it out of ego 18
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    @Cinnamon02143 months ago That wake up wake up wake up subtitle freaked me out because I almost missed it so it was almost like my mind was tricking me
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    @CalebEkes8 months ago this guy read my mind. I've been thinking this for years 1
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    @jeromebrown209 months ago He was awesome. His back and forth with piccolo on the look out when they were training Gotenks. He was a different guy back then 22
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    @Trash_Cat219 months ago For all of GT's faults I did like that Goku was carefree and childish at times, but once things got serious the martial arts master came out and he took things seriously depending on the threat. 30